Archive for March, 2013

Bible Reading Christian Will Earn An Ear #Science

Posted: March 10, 2013 in Uncategorized


Dalai Lama recently advocated for secular ethics, and respect for nonbelievers saying moral and secular ethics go beyond religious belief, many of us hold that, laws in religious books were made by ancient people good example 10 commandments-Worship ME, don’t call MY name in vain, don’t have\make images of ME, rest on Sabbath to worship ME. The selfishness indicates it might be a human who wrote them down and subscribed significance by claiming its Gods laws, Einstein [a Jew] said bible is collection of noble ancient superstitions that are rather childish.

There is no problem with religious believes you can believe whatever you want we are spiritual beings and 5000 gods are worshiped currently but using religion to fight science, stem cell research, evolution, etc We get the right to call your believes ridiculous.

However all that said ..Not all people in religion are ignorant and following a blind faith, some really try to be realistic and those EARN an ear…

Here is a Bible scholar who is courageous to debate me with facts and not pray I be saved from claws of eternal monster, block me, or run away.. He calls himself a Theologian but I think a Bible scholar is a great name too haha

Lawrence Ital Mwangi

Yes birth of a star or what my brother Alex Shianda would call creation or Genesis of another Star system located 44 Million light years away[ how it was 44 million years ago when light left] …That is very far, from here to Sun is 8 Light minutes [ light takes 8 minutes to fika your eyes, when looking at sun you see how it was 8 minutes away]
Hubble captures new star birth in an ancient galaxy

Alex Shianda

Help me understand an elliptical galaxy can have ever lasting life?as in an old galaxy collides with a new small one to form a new galaxy

Lawrence Ital Mwangi
To some extend but not everlasting hehe.. We can trace the earliest toddle galaxies 12 billion years ago when universe was smaller and now has expanded and rapidly so it has an end[just way we predict universe began 13.7 billion years ago] ..There are three theories how it will end

…The largest galaxy is believed to have been after collision of several, its 50 times bigger than our Milky way hehe but its old and doesn’t produce new stars anymore

Milky way will collide with neighbor Andromeda 4 Billion years to come [from rate they are approaching one another]
So we will we will witness collision just before our suns nuclear reactor goes out of its Hydrogen and Helium fuel in 5Billion years time and become a red giant swallowing us hehe

Alex Shianda
Nice.but the article hypothesizes small ‘alive’ galaxies ‘kick start’ old dying big galaxies.technically th4 there would be no end to the life of the universe or beginning thereof.
that said,i like the red dragon theory.almost sounds like the apocalyptic picture St John saw in Patmos if you read his book(Revelation)with a horoscopic hubble telescope mind
the other day i was thinking bout Dec23 when the world was to end/end of an age according to thdm Myan calendar.i thought bout in view of the asteriod that almost hit earth,the meteor that hit Russia,the comet that passed,the HUGE comet coming in Oct ths year,heck they must have made serious calculations!

Lawrence Ital Mwangi
That is when other factors haven’t been considered, the biggest is universe is expanding and rapidly for the furthers galaxies, originally before 1920 we thought it will slow down [logically] but observations show furthers galaxies moving even faster and hence the hypothesized Dark energy and Dark matter which occupies 95%[ what you see galaxies, stars, comets are only 5%] of the entire universe forcing the expansion..

By the we have the theories Big Rip where ultimately it will expand to cold isolated matter or Big crunch where gravity will overpower dark energy and universe collapse into a black hole

Revelations is interesting book, & is full of imagery and that is the reason every generation finds a reason to end the world in it, but that is just wishful interpretation like in conspiracy theories not critical analysis. From early years even antichrist himself many thought the writer was referring to NERO who persecuted Christians so much and his name adds up to 666 if interpreted in [either Greek I can’t remember]

End of Age is used so many times in bible and other ancient books with astrological symbols[Christianity like Egyptian pagan religion is of symbols, 3,7,cross, bread, wine etc] and as you know there is Gemini, pierces, etc so end of age is a repetitive like end of year or season

Asteroids, comets meteors etc very many most aren’t reported we had a similar early 1900 in Russia too, and the big one that did strike Yucatán Peninsula 65 Million years ago ending dinosaur erra or the Arizona impact crater 50,000 years ago, so by that simly you cannot conclude anything scientifically.

Alex Shianda
on Revelation apart from the historic interpretation(of antichrist being Nero)and the futuristic(of antichrist being a one world leader) there is the Reform view(of antichrist being the Pope)-very popular during Martin Luther’s fact,he is one of the chief ‘cook’ of this view.

i like the historic view coz the danger of reading it as events to come will make you read it like you were reading a horoscope.
some have tried to blend the three views using a ‘what was,what is and what is to come view’.still one misses the big historical narrative in the book this way.

i think to live in a time/space when/where one can postulate various theories is really exciting.there is a proverb that says it is to th glory of kings to hide a matter and the glory of men to search them is great the vast opportunities the ‘physical and life sciences’ provide.i think soon we will start hearing brilliant scientists sounding like ancient Hebrew poets in their hypothesis to formulate theories.i may not be sure of this but maybe Hiesengberg would

on celestial bodies
i like the breakdown.But i was merely appreciating the science at least Math that the Myans put in to predict the appearance of eclipses,comets,asteroids,meteors…in their calendar.i was then extrapolating that maybe not Dec23 as they said were onto something in terms of celestial bodies n earth interaction
Lawrence Ital Mwangi Yup ..History is rich I wish every child could be taught how different religions [main ones] believe and their evolution right from Sumerian,African [Egypt, Nubians, Ethipopians, West African like Mali etc], Mayans Hindu, to Monotheists Hebrew, Christianity, and latest Islam etc it would really help them a lot

I don’t quite understand what you mean by scientist sound like Hebrew, but why not As long as it’s a scientific fact I.e. has been proved by global body of scientist … scientist have read most if not all religions coz science is understanding forces of nature and can use the words

Mayans were very good in reading the seasons using celestial bodies ..actually most of ancients Egyptians, Andes, the Nubians, to them it was life and death,, you had to know planting season, migration of birds or locust etc and remember there was no TV or electricity so for them looking at the stars was more than just hobby and were very good extremely good in that…. Modern science emerged there, before we used to thing eclipses are divine beings but Greeks started the revolution of looking not for supernatural but natural to understand the world so we realized eclipse are shadows, by the spherical shadow we discovered wow the earth is not flat but spherical ..The rest is history

Alex Shianda
On Religion
i think ethics would be a big level-and-proper ground to start the conversation coz each religion has its definition n history of ethics and our society needs morals.the challenge would be the danger of raising a generation of pantheists who will largely embrace the humanist ‘co-exist’ dangerous faith talk.have you seen this humanist co-exist campaign logo showing different religions symbols forming the word co-exist?

hebrew poets
You know how modern scientists say “there are dark forces that control the world in which we live in” and go on to develop a dark forces theories etc ancient hebrew poets also believed that ‘there are principalities and powers in the air that control the world”Ephesians?

Lawrence Ital Mwangi
Democracy is when you teach a child or human all religions and then give them a choice , we are living in information age hehe… To some like me ethics as stated in bible or Quran or Hindus, or atheist like china are all man made and basica…See More

Alex Shianda
on dark forces
I think it is good to appreciate the similarity in the hypothesis because their conclusions definitely differ.i’d even propose the same way astrology(which scientists consider mythical) was the science that gave birth to Astronomy as we …See More

Lawrence Ital Mwangi
Dark forces lol Its Dark Matter and Dark energy just like Gravity or X-Rays or Gama infrared that aren’t visible to normal range hehe ..The other portrayed by ancient Hebrew was like science it was a way to try and interpret the world, whe…See More
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Alex Shianda
The Dark Knight needs to rise tomorrow away from Dark Forces-whether as Dark Matter and/or Dark Energy.i am sure you got his drift.he wil arise happy for he sees you making reference to legal-historical matters.May the Force be with you

Lawrence Ital Mwangi thanks for whole the above Alex Shianda.. I will be back my friend

Another Debate on February on twitter

• shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey @in_hispresence Pentateuch parts of the bk of Numbers coz Moses was is him-Moses

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey @in_hispresence There were many Scripts present at Constatine’s time.there was nd th4 for a codex for ALL coz some erased parts

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey @in_hispresence There were many Scripts present at Constatine’s time.there was nd th4 for a codex for some codex erased parts

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey Arius(Arianism) taught that Jesus was more man less God-tis called ‘the battle of diphthongs’ homoousios vs homoiousos

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@in_hispresence @lawey It is PARTS of 2nd Peter not in CONTENT or AUTHORSHIP but in title ‘Peter’ d same way ‘Paul’ didnt write Eph

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey A proper historic doc should nt have been written after 60yrs of eye witnes a/c-hence accuracy issues
• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey As i mentioned,there are bks called deuterocanonical-simply put,the 2nd canon in ths case a 2nd gospel.

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey Deconstruction is a postmodern philosophical technique theology can use when addressing Science/classical/ancient philosophy

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey will watch.deuterocanonical books(OT eg apocrypha n NT eg lost gospels) n other writings eg shephard of hermis are easy talk

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey Of science and philosophy is good for construction of life mantra’s.theology is to use them for deconstruction #thankmelater

• Feb 19 shianda ‏@alexshianda :@lawey @muriithiw Will read.4m the small papers i know,its a shift 4m Augustines linear approach to time but not new theos